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he was the fbi's negotiator in multiple high profile bank hostage standoffs. he says he peacefully freed dozens of hostages over his 20 years with the agency. he negotiated seemingly impossible deals and says he never lost a life. you have to plan for everything going wrong as a negotiator. >> yeah. you've got to be ready for it and to deal with it. and you've got to be flexible. >> reporter: but not too flexible. the lawyer for hollywood heavyweights like harvey weinstei james cameron, and tom cruise knows about ugly divorces, public fights with studios, and yes, fair deals. >> at what point is it better to have no deal than the deal that's being offered? >> reporter: do you have an appreciation for what obama and boehner are looking at? >> oh, absolutely. i sympathize with both of them. it's not fun for these guys because there's too much at stake. it's fun for me because the worst that happens is my client gets less money, not the end of the world. it may seem that way for the client. >> reporter: even children know you have to cooperate. >> maybe you can w
he was the fbi's negotiator in multiple high profile bank hostage standoffs. he says he peacefully freed dozens of hostages over his 20 years with the agency. he negotiated seemingly impossible deals and says he never lost a life. you have to plan for everything going wrong as a negotiator. >> yeah. you've got to be ready for it and to deal with it. and you've got to be flexible. >> reporter: but not too flexible. the lawyer for hollywood heavyweights like harvey weinstei james...
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we do know, for example, the fbi looks to question a tunisian suspect. but after finally getting him face to face, he refused to speak. that's one suspect. abu ahmed is another. we don't know what role the five others in his alleged terror cell may have played in all of this. don? >> susan, thank you very much. >>> marijuana smokers gathered around seattle's space needle counting down the seconds until the first legal puff of pot. >> three, two, one. hold on a second before you go all cheech and chong on us. you can smoke pot legally in washington state, but still illegal to buy marijuana or sell it or grow it. that's interesting. >>> a legal haze is drifting over washington state's pot smokers as joe johns reports. no one knows how the feds are going to react. >> reporter: there was euphoria the moment pot became legal in washington state. 3,000 miles away in washington, d.c., the justice department and the white house are reviewing how the federal government should respond. at the moment, they're sticking to this statement from the u.s. attorney in sea
we do know, for example, the fbi looks to question a tunisian suspect. but after finally getting him face to face, he refused to speak. that's one suspect. abu ahmed is another. we don't know what role the five others in his alleged terror cell may have played in all of this. don? >> susan, thank you very much. >>> marijuana smokers gathered around seattle's space needle counting down the seconds until the first legal puff of pot. >> three, two, one. hold on a second before...
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he said the fbi has not questioned him about this case to this point. brooke? >> all right. on miami beach, thanks, john. >> chelsea roth nearly dieda a teenager from an eating disorder and now teaches yoga at workshops across the country. in this week's human factor, we see how she turned her life around. >> how are you? >> when you see chelsea roth now, looking happy and vibrant, it's nearly impossible to imagine the day she said part of her brain died. at 15 years old, she suffered a stroke brought on by severe anorexia. >> i now know from looking at hospital records i was 58 pounds. >> 58 pounds and close to dying. so many parts of her body were failing. there no pictures of her at her sickest. this picture is from about a year earlier in and out of treatment centers. she remembers how starting a diet with her mom in the midst of a difficult and dangerous childhood spiralled into a disorder that nearly killed her. >> looking back, i think my body was my only way to tell the people around me that something wasn't okay. i was scare and hurting and i needed help. >> help ca
he said the fbi has not questioned him about this case to this point. brooke? >> all right. on miami beach, thanks, john. >> chelsea roth nearly dieda a teenager from an eating disorder and now teaches yoga at workshops across the country. in this week's human factor, we see how she turned her life around. >> how are you? >> when you see chelsea roth now, looking happy and vibrant, it's nearly impossible to imagine the day she said part of her brain died. at 15 years...
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>> sure. >> well, the fbi doesn't -- >> go ahead. >> bob, go ahead. >> the fbi is against torture. it can't take the evidence and take it into court. an fbi agent who interrogated khalid sheik muhammad disagreed that torture got anyone anywhere. they're completely opposed to it. the cia was reluctant to use torture, too. it was the pentagon. and as we know, as peter said, the results are mixed. >> so, peter, do you fear this becomes the narrative? that people will see this and think, okay, waterboarding got bin laden? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's the bottom line. i don't think that's not the filmmaker's intent, and they have many other scenes in the movie about how the relationship with the foreign intelligence service derived a very important lead, the real name of bin laden's courier, how they tracked down the cell phones he was using and how human spies on the ground in pakistan tracked him to where he was hiding with bin laden. but at the end of the day when somebody pulls something out of a file and it's from foreign intelligence service, that's not an inherently dramatic s
>> sure. >> well, the fbi doesn't -- >> go ahead. >> bob, go ahead. >> the fbi is against torture. it can't take the evidence and take it into court. an fbi agent who interrogated khalid sheik muhammad disagreed that torture got anyone anywhere. they're completely opposed to it. the cia was reluctant to use torture, too. it was the pentagon. and as we know, as peter said, the results are mixed. >> so, peter, do you fear this becomes the narrative? that people...
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. >> is the fbi making progress? >> you know, don, it is hard to tell. our sources are saying they're linked to a lot of people. they're questioning a tunisian suspect, alharzi refused to speak. that is one source, abu ahmad, he is another one, we don't know the role he may have played, and five others in the alleged terror cell, what they have to do, if anything at all. in the benghazi attacks. we hope to learn more about it in the coming days. >> have fbi agents been able to get access to this guy? >> no, they're still trying to do that. they have had trouble getting access to others in other countries. there is always difficulty in helping out the united states in many of these investigations because of the impression it might leave with some of the countries over there. but they have been working on it and continue to do it. i am sure a lot of pressure will be brought to bear. >> appreciate your reporting, susan candiotti. >>> and egypt's president, learning how difficult democracy is. thousands took to the streets after the decree that was issued gi
. >> is the fbi making progress? >> you know, don, it is hard to tell. our sources are saying they're linked to a lot of people. they're questioning a tunisian suspect, alharzi refused to speak. that is one source, abu ahmad, he is another one, we don't know the role he may have played, and five others in the alleged terror cell, what they have to do, if anything at all. in the benghazi attacks. we hope to learn more about it in the coming days. >> have fbi agents been able to...
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the investigation is still under way by the fbi and now we need to focus on what we were trying to do today, wolf, is focus on getting the people responsible and holding them accountable for their actions that killed and took the life of four americans. >> you're talking about the al qaeda affiliate organizations that may have been responsible for these four americans, including ambassador chris stevens. when you say there was gross negligence, that suggests that they should have had better security for the colleagues and they were negligent. do we know who these individuals that were negligent are? >> that picture is clearer today than it was a short time ago. >> can you tell us who they are? >> i think it's best to wait until all of the details are assembled and a report will be issued. but i will tell you, wolf, when you look at all of the information, information leading up on the day and the days after, it was very, very clear that there was a serious security threat there in the state department did not make the right decisions to secure the ambassador himself and there's all ki
the investigation is still under way by the fbi and now we need to focus on what we were trying to do today, wolf, is focus on getting the people responsible and holding them accountable for their actions that killed and took the life of four americans. >> you're talking about the al qaeda affiliate organizations that may have been responsible for these four americans, including ambassador chris stevens. when you say there was gross negligence, that suggests that they should have had...
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before he died, the fbi says keyes confessed to killing at least seven other people. that confession has led to a coast to coast search for clues and for help from the public to find keyes' victims. george howell is working on this for us today. and so we know that the fbi says keyes didn't know any of his alleged victims, so how did he lure them? >> this was all random, but he had a very methodical plan, brooke, of how he went about this. first of all, we know he had these murder kits stored, stashed around the country. kits that had -- >> murder kits. >> murder kits with weapons, with cash that he got from robberies, all of this just, you know, to use had he got to the city, with his plan to attack people. and we also know he would fly into cities, we know he would drive hundreds of miles to find unsuspecting victims, just to randomly kill people. >> so you talk about these murder kits, these were clues then presumably he left behind. you mentioned across country. >> yeah. and investigators were able to find them at the blake falls reservoir in new york, and eagle r
before he died, the fbi says keyes confessed to killing at least seven other people. that confession has led to a coast to coast search for clues and for help from the public to find keyes' victims. george howell is working on this for us today. and so we know that the fbi says keyes didn't know any of his alleged victims, so how did he lure them? >> this was all random, but he had a very methodical plan, brooke, of how he went about this. first of all, we know he had these murder kits...
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do you want fbi agents who are federal police, so to speak, to arrest people? what exactly do you want the attorney general to do? >> well, we would like to -- we're looking for his intentions relative to the enforcement and determination as to what that looks like. we aren't asking for specifics about what that looks like but clarity about what his intentions are in that regard. >> so just going back to your concerns, that employees may like get high before they go to work or get high on the job and it's perfectly legal, i'm just not clear in understanding how that's different from drinking on the job and being impaired when you show up to work. because employers can certainly act against employees in those instances. >> right. yes. absolutely. employers have rights to employees who smoke on the job. there's no question about that. the real question becomes when they are off the job and the time in which they -- the distance between the time in which they use marijuana and their potential impairment once they land at the work site. you have employees who are u
do you want fbi agents who are federal police, so to speak, to arrest people? what exactly do you want the attorney general to do? >> well, we would like to -- we're looking for his intentions relative to the enforcement and determination as to what that looks like. we aren't asking for specifics about what that looks like but clarity about what his intentions are in that regard. >> so just going back to your concerns, that employees may like get high before they go to work or get...
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immigration has become the largest law enforcement system in the country and very much unlike the police or fbi, they operate largely in secret. so their arrests are secret, detentions are secret. today, for example, we have a story about immigrants with no criminal records detained and don't get a right to a swift and public hearing. put in jails and no one in the public has a right to know this. our criminal system is very different, because perhaps people don't want the public to know that they have been under arrest, but those public protections are there to protect the people who are -- whose liberty is taken away by the government. >> i really encourage everybody to read this. i was shocked by some of your findings. so you have another piece in tomorrow's "boston globe." a quick preview on that? >> yes, well, it starts with a 29-year-old woman from france who was trying to go back to france and she was stopped at the u.s./canadian border and jailed and she was kept in jail for 12 days, and an immigration agent made the decision to detain her briefly and privately and died 12 days later. >
immigration has become the largest law enforcement system in the country and very much unlike the police or fbi, they operate largely in secret. so their arrests are secret, detentions are secret. today, for example, we have a story about immigrants with no criminal records detained and don't get a right to a swift and public hearing. put in jails and no one in the public has a right to know this. our criminal system is very different, because perhaps people don't want the public to know that...
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and the fbi left it at that. >> everyone we talk to out there swear up and down that they were going to solve the case. they didn't. >> with no happy ending, the media gave up. >> all the national media, they want the big story when they introduce me to my relatives, but until that happens, they don't want -- they're not interested in doing an article about the search. you know. actually, when you think about it, it's pretty pathetic if no one is actually looking for someone that disappeared. isn't that anyone important enough in your past life that want to look for you? >> so benjamin was stranded. with no name, no social security numb number. and no help. >> benjamin kyle, about to talk to me live along with the man who made that documentary. they are asking for your help, asking for your signature to the white house will have to act. don't miss this. it's next. rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain
and the fbi left it at that. >> everyone we talk to out there swear up and down that they were going to solve the case. they didn't. >> with no happy ending, the media gave up. >> all the national media, they want the big story when they introduce me to my relatives, but until that happens, they don't want -- they're not interested in doing an article about the search. you know. actually, when you think about it, it's pretty pathetic if no one is actually looking for someone...
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turns out they were undercover fbi agents. hoffman served 20 years in the navy and held a top secret security clearance. >>> academy award winning actress angelina jolie meets with syrian refugees who finished that dangerous crossing into jordan. listened to family stories without water, food, safety or security. >>> and check this out. this billboard in san diego features a picture of 63-year-old real estate mogul mark paskin and says all i want for christmas is a latina girlfriend. his e-mail address is up there, too. he appeared on the reality show secret millionaire. the billboard is located in a mostly latina neighborhood and most people are finding it offensive. one young latina women who works nearby thinks this is perfectly fine. why not, if that's what he wants for christmas, soledad? >> i think it's not offensive for the reasons -- >> weird. >> it is. >> a little bit of -- >> it's really odd. >> all you need is one. and it worked. >> when your kids ask, how did you and mommy meet? i advertised on a billboard. >> why
turns out they were undercover fbi agents. hoffman served 20 years in the navy and held a top secret security clearance. >>> academy award winning actress angelina jolie meets with syrian refugees who finished that dangerous crossing into jordan. listened to family stories without water, food, safety or security. >>> and check this out. this billboard in san diego features a picture of 63-year-old real estate mogul mark paskin and says all i want for christmas is a latina...
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i spoke about this case with former fbi counterespionage agent eric o'neal. he was the agent that took down robert hanson, the fbi official that spied for the russians in the '80s and '90s. he spoke of the risk of this information getting out. >> some of the information could cause lives to be at risk if someone wanted to get at families of a high level government worker, or someone they perceived as could work against a terrorist cell. >> the secret service says that hasn't happened. a secret service official says no one at the agency or family members have been put in danger by the loss of information. the secret service says no fraud occurred as a result, and the agency refuses to characterize this as a breach. in a statement, secret service says, quote, these backup tapes were not marked or identified in any way and were protected by multiple layers of security. they could not be accessed without the proper equipment applications and encoding, and department of homeland security just told us there have been no reports they know of that any information was
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the fbi has now taken to facebook and twitter, facebook and twitter, looking for any kinds of tips or leads or anything they might be able to get on this case, because it is just too difficult on the ground to get the help they need. and like you said, senator sitting on the foreign relations committee will talk a little about how this is sitting with that committee and one particular senator working his way to get on to that committee. we'll explain all of that coming up next on "outfront." >> we'll be watching at the top of the hour. thanks very much. >>> still ahead, it is holiday party season. jeanne moos has tips on what you need to watch out for. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these di
the fbi has now taken to facebook and twitter, facebook and twitter, looking for any kinds of tips or leads or anything they might be able to get on this case, because it is just too difficult on the ground to get the help they need. and like you said, senator sitting on the foreign relations committee will talk a little about how this is sitting with that committee and one particular senator working his way to get on to that committee. we'll explain all of that coming up next on...
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the fbi arrested their alleged ring leader in afghanistan, brought him back to the u.s. he has not faced a grand jury or been indicted. >>> let the countdown continue. 26 days until the fiscal cliff. the focus has been on taxes but that's only half of what this is all about. the other ways you could be affect, coming up. to test the 2.0-liter turbo engine. [ engine revs ] ♪ [ derek ] 272 horsepower. the lightest in its class. the cadillac ats outmatches the bmw 3 series. i cannot believe i have ended the day not scraping some red paint off on these barriers. ♪ [ male announcer ] the all-new cadillac ats. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. sven's home security gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten s
the fbi arrested their alleged ring leader in afghanistan, brought him back to the u.s. he has not faced a grand jury or been indicted. >>> let the countdown continue. 26 days until the fiscal cliff. the focus has been on taxes but that's only half of what this is all about. the other ways you could be affect, coming up. to test the 2.0-liter turbo engine. [ engine revs ] ♪ [ derek ] 272 horsepower. the lightest in its class. the cadillac ats outmatches the bmw 3 series. i cannot...
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the charges stem from a two-year fbi investigation. >>> george zimmerman is suing nbc. the man charged with shooting and killing trayvon martin is accusing the network of editing his 911 call to police to make himself sound racist. he says because three nbc employees have been fired for their role in producing that story. >>> could kickoffs get the boot in the nfl? roger goodell saying he considered doing away with that part of the game in an effort to reduce player injuries. the league already tinkered with kickoffs, moving them up five yards which has limited kick returns. those typically frantic plays present the most injuries to players. we will talk to a linebacker about that in the next hour. >>> and steven baldwin arrested and charged with failing to file new york state income tax returns from 2008 through 2010. he allegedly owes more than $350,000. baldwin pleaded not guilty yesterday. he claims he left his personal affairs to paid professionals while he was on an island shooting "survivor." >>> after heading to d.c. to ask for aid for superstorm sandy damage, c
the charges stem from a two-year fbi investigation. >>> george zimmerman is suing nbc. the man charged with shooting and killing trayvon martin is accusing the network of editing his 911 call to police to make himself sound racist. he says because three nbc employees have been fired for their role in producing that story. >>> could kickoffs get the boot in the nfl? roger goodell saying he considered doing away with that part of the game in an effort to reduce player injuries....
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lot of work for the local police and fbi there, carol. >> jim spellman, reporting live this morning. >>> update in the strange saga of john mcafee. he could be deported to belize as soon as today. mcafee entered their country illegally, the guatemala officials say. police in belize want to question mcafee about the shooting death of his neighbor, gregory fall. >>> katherine heads home with her husband, prince william, by her side. when it comes to the financial obstacles military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us online. we're ready to help. at the chevy year-end event because chevy's giving more. more efficiency with sonic and cruze... more function in equinox and traverse... more dependability with the legendary silverado... and more style in the all-new malibu. chevy's giving mo
lot of work for the local police and fbi there, carol. >> jim spellman, reporting live this morning. >>> update in the strange saga of john mcafee. he could be deported to belize as soon as today. mcafee entered their country illegally, the guatemala officials say. police in belize want to question mcafee about the shooting death of his neighbor, gregory fall. >>> katherine heads home with her husband, prince william, by her side. when it comes to the financial obstacles...
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if you recognize him, the fbi wants to hear from you. his name is israel keyes. he apparently killed himself in police custody, but police say he confessed a string of serial killings. let's bring in george howell who has been covering this. we understand that he was in alaska. he has since passed away, but he has confessed. do they have a sense of who he killed? >> we do. we know much more about israel keyes. first of all, we know he is ex-military. in at least two cae strangled and sexually assaulted, you know, his victims. we also know he had a very methodical plan that as he went into these situations, first of all, this is a person who would fly into cities, he would rent a car, drive hundreds of miles to find unsuspecting victims, and then he would also have these murder kits. he would have weapons, he would have money that he got from robberies, all of this in anticipation of more attacks. so the most recent attack, his last victim, we know samantha koenig, a barista in anchorage, alaska. he was in anchorage, he went there to abduct and kill her. then, suz
if you recognize him, the fbi wants to hear from you. his name is israel keyes. he apparently killed himself in police custody, but police say he confessed a string of serial killings. let's bring in george howell who has been covering this. we understand that he was in alaska. he has since passed away, but he has confessed. do they have a sense of who he killed? >> we do. we know much more about israel keyes. first of all, we know he is ex-military. in at least two cae strangled and...
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. >>> the fbi says a suspected seer yool killer has committed suicide while in custody. israel keys was charged with the murder of 18-year-old barista. before killing himself on sunday, police say he confessed to at least seven other mrds, to in vermont, four in washington state and one somewhere on the east coast. keys also told investigators that he buried supplies he planned to use in future crimes and agents found two stashes, one in eagle river, alaska, and one near lake falls reservoir in new york state. >>> dash cam video of police intuition in action. officers pulled over a car for an expired plate and hear something coming from the trunk. this is the moment they discover 22-year-old shawn bloomer. the gas station clerk had been kidnapped and stuffed in the trunk. this incident happened in august but this video is just now being released. two men and a woman who were in the car charged with robbery, kidnapping and endangerment. >>> a colorado mother holding her 2-year-old daughter is hit and pinned underneath a car. officers and good samaritans respond, listen to
. >>> the fbi says a suspected seer yool killer has committed suicide while in custody. israel keys was charged with the murder of 18-year-old barista. before killing himself on sunday, police say he confessed to at least seven other mrds, to in vermont, four in washington state and one somewhere on the east coast. keys also told investigators that he buried supplies he planned to use in future crimes and agents found two stashes, one in eagle river, alaska, and one near lake falls...
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businessman and the fbi would have jurisdiction over the murders of u.s. citizens in other countries. so it's very likely that mcafee will at the very least have to talk with federal authorities about what he knows about his neighbor's killing. john zarrella cnn, miami. >>> in a controversial move, a dead marine will not be awarded the medal of honor. some say he was already brain dead when he landed on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your
businessman and the fbi would have jurisdiction over the murders of u.s. citizens in other countries. so it's very likely that mcafee will at the very least have to talk with federal authorities about what he knows about his neighbor's killing. john zarrella cnn, miami. >>> in a controversial move, a dead marine will not be awarded the medal of honor. some say he was already brain dead when he landed on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a...
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they were undercover fbi agents. he could be sentenced to life in prison. and at least 418 people in the philippines are dead in the wake of a powerful typhoon. hundreds more are missing and a quarter of a million people now homeless. survivors are in desperate need of water, food and shelter. the storm hit a southern island of the philippines where typhoons are not expected. and at least four people are dead and seven others missing after two ships collided off the coast of the netherlands. rescuers have called off the search for missing crew members. passing ships are being asked to be on the look out. officials say a container vessel collided with a car carrier in the north sea. the nationality of the crew is not yet known. and john travolta and olivia newton-john, they are back together again. yes, 34 years after "grease" the two are dropping an original single from their holiday album this christmas. it's called, i think you might like it. ♪ ♪ i can't help smiling >> i kind of like that. looks a little familiar there, doesn't it? just a bit. some o
they were undercover fbi agents. he could be sentenced to life in prison. and at least 418 people in the philippines are dead in the wake of a powerful typhoon. hundreds more are missing and a quarter of a million people now homeless. survivors are in desperate need of water, food and shelter. the storm hit a southern island of the philippines where typhoons are not expected. and at least four people are dead and seven others missing after two ships collided off the coast of the netherlands....
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phillip mudd, a former cia and fbi counterterrorism official, says there's a huge concern over who to trust with chemical weapons. >> when you've got roughly 10% of the opposition in the. >>>s u.s. government is declaring are terrorist group you're going to be concerned. in any case like this, there's a lot of risk. >> reporter: but mudd says it's still better to train the rebels on how to handle those materials than to do nothing. and leonard specter says the u.s. and its allies are likely screening the individuals who are being trained very carefully, wofrl, at least that's the hope. >> despite all that, there's still a potential for these chemical weapons getting into the wrong hands. despite what the u.s. is trying to do. >> reporter: phillip mudd says if the syrian regime loses control of these weapons, that's a huge worry. if they fall into the hands of others who are not trusted by the u.s. or its allies they could float around the border to iraq or other potentially dangerous places where they don't have control over these things. if assad loses control of these things anytime
phillip mudd, a former cia and fbi counterterrorism official, says there's a huge concern over who to trust with chemical weapons. >> when you've got roughly 10% of the opposition in the. >>>s u.s. government is declaring are terrorist group you're going to be concerned. in any case like this, there's a lot of risk. >> reporter: but mudd says it's still better to train the rebels on how to handle those materials than to do nothing. and leonard specter says the u.s. and its...